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- Hi, I'm Susanna Hecht. I'm the Director of
- the Brazil Center at UCLA and also a
- Professor in the Luskin School of
- Public Affairs. One of the problems that
- occurs with Amazonian issues is that
- there are real questions about the
- development model that increasingly
- moves into export-led development: highly
- industrialized forms of development, such
- as agroindustry, associated with soy and
- corn, the questions of oil, mining, and so
- on, and we'll talk further about what the
- implications of these are. But, what's
- important to understand is that the
- economy shifts to an emphasis on
- extractive products linked primarily to
- international
- markets for
- soybean and beef, and these have enormous
- implications for large-scale
- deforestation. The other thing is that
- these are importantly linked to
- infrastructure expansion and the
- speculation that goes with this. So, one
- of the things that's important about
- this is that as infrastructure expands,
- particularly roads, so does deforestation,
- and what is characteristic about this is
- that a lot of those roads are informal
- roads and that most deforestation —
- something like 90% of it — occurs within
- 10 kilometers of a road. So, the expansion
- of roads for agroindustrial and other
- kinds of activities is also a major
- dynamic of
- deforestation. And this has been sort of
- a classic thing that one sees, which is
- that when you start to put in roads, you
- get a lot of deforestation that follows
- it and a lot of trunk roads that come on.
- One of the dominant land uses of these
- cleared areas is for livestock, and it is
- the main driver of deforestation. There's
- a lot of discussion about this as being
- primarily driven by markets, but it's
- driven by a lot of other things. First of
- all, it's mostly highly subsidized. Second
- of all, it's got flexibility that
- industrial agriculture doesn't. You don't
- have to harvest on a particular date.
- You can walk the animal somewhere else.
- The other thing is it makes other forms
- of land use kind of impossible.
- Forest dwellers cannot use pasture —
- cows use pasture. Second, and another
- thing that's important is it's a great
- way to cheaply speculate on land. The
- costs of putting in cattle are expensive,
- but it's nothing compared to putting in
- agroindustrial things, and it's also a
- means of showing what's called
- "effective use." So, effective use means
- that you actually end up having rights
- to be able to claim these lands because
- you've shown that it's not some useless
- silly forest, but rather an important
- livestock enterprise. Also there's the
- whole symbolism and iconography of
- livestock and livestock cultures as
- being sort of masculinist, not those,
- you know, icky forests, and also,
- you know, it's that Marlboro Man kind of
- thing. But it has a number of logics, both
- for large and small holders, linked to
- its ability to create assets of land to
- claim land and its flexibility and
- finally, it's low labor. So, if you think
- about it, what we're beginning to see is
- an Amazonia in which large scale
- agriculture and large scale livestock, as
- well as petroleum and other things, are
- not absorbing labor, but they are
- expanding exports. The expansion of
- livestock has grown exponentially in
- Amazonia. It's a simplified landscape, a
- modernist landscape,
- universalized and easily implemented.
- It's deeply capitalized, but importantly,
- it's exclusionary. So, if we start to look
- at agribusiness, not through just the
- commodity itself, but its structural
- implications, we begin to see that this
- is a really kind of problematic form
- of development, and particularly
- the
- agroindustry, elements of it involve
- essentially mechanized agriculture, which
- absorbs very very little labor. It often
- takes over areas that have been cattle,
- and keeps pushing the cattle frontier
- forward. If you want to take a look at
- global demand for things like beef, what
- you see is that there is a lot of
- international demand. If you want to look
- at where most of the clearing occurs, it
- occurs now on public lands and
- increasingly, through occupation of
- Indigenous lands. So, in essence, what's
- happening is that we are beginning to
- see the expansion of a frontier that
- pushes livestock forward at the same
- time that it begins to expand
- agriculture. What you can see is that
- with the dominant export element here,
- the dominant market is Asian, and you can
- see also that it's rapidly expanding.
- The agroindustry areas are increasing
- inequality. They're the areas of
- increasing
- deforestation, and even as the value
- of these things go up, what you see is
- the share of small farm income
- collapses from, let's say 1995 to
- 2017, goes from 50% of the agricultural
- income
- to a mere 20%. So, tenurial regimes,
- marketing, institutional issues, rents, and
- capitalization and infrastructure for
- large commodities are pushing large scale,
- non-labor absorbing, export-led, mostly,
- development, while urban development has
- to absorb an increasing portion of
- Amazonians, and that the rural areas in
- terms of many kinds of activities become
- no longer viable for small scale holders.
- So, in this chapter we've kind of covered
- a major shift in emphasis with an
- expansion of inequality, this sort of
- undermining of other options, labor-absorbing
- options in industry and
- manufacturing through the China shock,
- but at the same time the expansion of
- export markets, including to China. After
- all China is the largest trading
- partner with Amazonian countries, so we
- begin to see a shift from a kind of
- internal interest in development into a
- very strong export-led model that of
- course has been true throughout
- Brazilian history and Amazonian history
- since contact. What's also important to
- realize is that we begin to see the rise
- of non-labor absorbing petrol-hydrocarbon
- development, non-labor absorbing cattle, but
- which has lots of other benefits in
- terms of creating assets. There's access
- to credit that stimulates infrastructure
- and so on, which also stimulates
- speculation and clearing. Within the soy
- and agroindustry sector, what you
- begin to see is enormous access to
- credit and
- financialization. Again, it links up to
- infrastructure expansion and its
- associated deforestation, and also as it
- becomes regulated, it starts to seek out
- areas with less regulation. So, it kind of
- goes to frontiers, and it also goes into
- other Amazonian countries that have less
- developed regulatory apparatuses
- compared to the Brazilian case, that
- there's big shifts, and that actually, an
- unusual labor absorbing dynamic occurs.
- Part of this is urbanization, but part of
- it is also clandestine economies.
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